Curse

Black Kenpachi · Nov 11, 2007, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Hey I finally realized that a W/Mo is not going to help and I was still in pre anyway so I started over. I want to make a W/E Conjure Axe. So could anyone give me advice on how good this build is:

Axe Mastery 12+1 Rune +1 Helmet
Tactics 9+1 Rune
Fire Magic 9
Strength 3+1 Rune

Cleave
Dismember
Penetrating Blow
Penetrating Chop
Cyclone Axe
Heal Sig
Conjure Flame
Res Sig

Equipment is:
2 Radiant Insignias (1 one leg 1 one chest)
3 Survivor Insignias (anywhere that doesn't have an Insignia)
Max Armor (of course)

Fiery Axe of Fortitude
Fire dmg: 6-28
Inscription: Guided By Fate
+15% while enchanted
Health +30

Shield
armor: 16
Received Physical Damage -2 while enchated
Health +30

mrmango · Nov 11, 2007, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Elite should be eviscerate, not cleave. Get rid of both penetratings, and cyclone. Take an IAS, flurry for you as I wouldn't trust just anyone to use frenzy even with a cancel stance. Take executioner's chop and if you only have prophecies keep cyclone. And the more survivor insignia you have the better.

Black Kenpachi · Nov 11, 2007, 07:11 AM // 07:11

I only have proph and factions but isn't cleave better for PvE because of the DPS?

How about this then:

Axe Mastery 12+1 Rune +1 Helmet
Tactics 9+1 Rune
Fire Magic 9
Strength 3+1 Rune

Triple Chop
Dismember
Executioner's Strike
Conjure Flame
Berserker Stance
Watch Yourself
Heal Sig
Res Sig

Equipment is:
2 Radiant Insignias (1 one leg 1 one chest)
3 Survivor Insignias (anywhere that doesn't have an Insignia)
Max Armor (of course)

Fiery Axe of Fortitude
Fire dmg: 6-28
Inscription: Guided By Fate
+15% while enchanted
Health +30

Shield
armor: 16
Received Physical Damage -2 while enchated
Health +30

ヽ(´ー｀)ﾉ · Nov 11, 2007, 07:11 AM // 07:11

If you want DPS, then go as a Dragonslasher.

**Marty Silverblade** · Nov 11, 2007, 07:49 AM // 07:49

You don't need both WY and HS. BS isn't an IAS, a good one anyway. The radiant insignia's aren't that useful, I'd replace them with survivor to match the rest of your set.

wetsparks · Nov 11, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmango

Elite should be eviscerate, not cleave. Get rid of both penetratings, and cyclone. Take an IAS, flurry for you as I wouldn't trust just anyone to use frenzy even with a cancel stance. Take executioner's chop and if you only have prophecies keep cyclone. And the more survivor insignia you have the better.

I say you learn by doing and by making mistakes, so I think the OP should go ahead and bring frenzy along with sprint/rush. Also, [skill]cleave[/skill] and [skill]eviscerate[/skill] do pretty much identical damage but cleave has lower adrenaline requirement but doesn't do deep wound which does little in pve anyways since the whole group should be concentrating on one target and they die fairly quickly. But conjure flame at 9 will do an extra 14 damage so triple chop would be a good choice to get conjure to trigger more often. Another thing to consider is that in prophecies, there is the fire islands inhabited by fire element monsters and the shiverpeaks with ice element monsters, so I would think about going with [skill]conjure lightning[/skill]. I don't think there are any monsters in the game with a resistance to lightning (except rangers who have extra armor against all elements which you should have an extra axe to use to counter them anyways.)

Black Kenpachi · Nov 11, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

So then how about this then:

[skill]conjure lightning[/skill]
[skill]Triple Chop[/skill]
[skill]Penetrating Blow[/skill]
[skill]Penetrating Chop[/skill]
[skill]Frenzy[/skill]
[skill]Rush[/skill]
[skill]Healing Signet[/skill]
[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

iridescentfyre · Nov 11, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Kenpachi

So then how about this then:

[skill]conjure lightning[/skill]
[skill]Triple Chop[/skill]
[skill]Penetrating Blow[/skill]
[skill]Penetrating Chop[/skill]
[skill]Frenzy[/skill]
[skill]Rush[/skill]
[skill]Healing Signet[/skill]
[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Definitely on the right track. My concern would be for Penetrating Chop and Penetrating Blow.. first of all, they're kinda redundant, and secondly it may be better to bring along an interrupt, Dismember, or Bull's Strike. There's lots of Axe skills that do more than just damage.

Div · Nov 11, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Triple chop is king of axes in PvE. End of story.

Cherng Butter · Nov 11, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Stick dismember in there

Black Kenpachi · Nov 11, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

So then how about this then:

[skill]conjure lightning[/skill]
[skill]Triple Chop[/skill]
[skill]Dismember[/skill]
[skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill]
[skill]Frenzy[/skill]
[skill]Rush[/skill]
[skill]Healing Signet[/skill]
[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Bobby2 · Nov 12, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Looks pretty good! I'm more of a [skill]Flail[/skill] than a [skill]Frenzy[/skill] person, especially with HealSig and Frenzy being quite nasty for you at times.

Normally I'd say find room for [skill]Bull's Strike[/skill] as well, my choice would be the rez sig, but fleeing foes aren't THAT much of a problem...

*tries to avoid flame war*

EDIT: [skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill] would still be sexier than rez sig

iridescentfyre · Nov 12, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

Looks pretty good! I'm more of a [skill]Flail[/skill] than a [skill]Frenzy[/skill] person, especially with HealSig and Frenzy being quite nasty for you at times.

Normally I'd say find room for [skill]Bull's Strike[/skill] as well, my choice would be the rez sig, but fleeing foes aren't THAT much of a problem...

*tries to avoid flame war*

EDIT: [skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill] would still be sexier than rez sig

Well you're right, in PvE Flail would be better than Frenzy if Kenpachi has Nightfall. Bull's Strike is kinda unnecessary in PvE as well, but owns in PvP. And the res is only really needed when with PUG groups or when you're doing a mission where you can't auto-res.

Black Kenpachi · Nov 12, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Thanks everyone for helping and I'm level 9 now and I am about to do the 1st mission.

Coifmeister · Nov 13, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Certainly up the strength, with your basic attacks doing more damage why not put our more of them? consider flail.

id sack off the energy. 20 is fine if you run a good adrenaline build. Instead make yourself tougher. Especially since like 40% of attacks land on your chest id go brawlers on it.

glountz · Nov 13, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

What campaign do you have? Which ones do you plan to play? Is it for PVE or PVP? Because Frenzy is a very bad choice for PVE, especially linked with Healing signet, whereas it shines in PvP, where nobody targets you because of your big armor.

wetsparks · Nov 14, 2007, 03:06 AM // 03:06

The ai tends to ignore warriors anyways to focus more on softer targets. Besides, if you do start to take to much damage, cancel it with sprint/enraging charge/rush.

iridescentfyre · Nov 14, 2007, 06:17 AM // 06:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by glountz

What campaign do you have? Which ones do you plan to play? Is it for PVE or PVP? Because Frenzy is a very bad choice for PVE, especially linked with Healing signet, whereas it shines in PvP, where nobody targets you because of your big armor.

Personally I stick to Flail in PvP, but if you can pull it off, go for it. Honestly I doubt its that suicidal. You'd have to be nuts to do it without a cancel stance, though.

Qdq Swi · Nov 16, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

Personally I stick to Flail in PvP, but if you can pull it off, go for it. Honestly I doubt its that suicidal. You'd have to be nuts to do it without a cancel stance, though.

Flail = Hammer build, Frenzy = Axe + Sword build, well in pvp anyway. Stance-cancel = Win.